Two OGs sit down for a candid, geeky, funny, occasionally spicy tour of crypto history and where zero-knowledge is headed next. Zooko (founder of Zcash) and Eli (co-founder of StarkWare) trade first-meet stories (San Jose 2013 → Cancun), and why privacy + scalability are the real superpowers of ZK.

We dig into zk-SNARKs vs zk-STARKs, how BitVM and covenants could secure BTC↔L2 bridges, and why a finality gadget matters for Zcash. We also cover STWO going live on Starknet mainnet, Blake hashes, exchange delistings, and the sudden market love for privacy.

Nothing here is investment advice. Do your own research.